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mr. romney is making the same point. he is serious about tax reform, going to go work with congress when he gets a chance. to put out those details now would be to harm the overall effort. >> that may be true but ethan is fair to point out that the studies we reference are put out by conservative groups. >> that's absolutely true. they're using different sxes specifications from what mitt romney has said. one study says if he raises taxes on people $100,000 than -- $1,000 than $2,000, it makes the math work. the problem is that romney has said i don't want to do any of that. so all of the studies that doug says actually affirms romney, they're all making assumptions that contradict what romney is saying. the reason they have to make she is assumptions is that romney is not showing anyone his tax plan. >> if he can win this with the middle class -- i'm speaking from o small focus group. they cared a lot about it. if this could be something that helps him move this election in swing states and he has to get more specific o
mr. romney is making the same point. he is serious about tax reform, going to go work with congress when he gets a chance. to put out those details now would be to harm the overall effort. >> that may be true but ethan is fair to point out that the studies we reference are put out by conservative groups. >> that's absolutely true. they're using different sxes specifications from what mitt romney has said. one study says if he raises taxes on people $100,000 than -- $1,000 than...
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romney made them feel more negative than positive toward mr. romney by a 22-point margin. those results match other polling that shows those comments alienated undecided voters. regardless of what you think of the substance of that it statement from mr. romney, it did turn the whole republican pundit class against him, called every candidate in a contested race to distance themselves from the presidential nominee of their party to start campaigning against mitt romney, telling voters, listen, i don't like that guy on that issue either, but vote for me any way even though i'm a republican. whether or not you think the remarks were scandalous, the polling impact of them is now showing up directly at a time when mr. romney's egregiously bad polling numbers seem to be calcifying and when most voters are now starting to vote. an incredibly negative impact for romney and his campaign at a difficult time for them. now on the eve of the first presidential debate, if they were hoping to put that behind them, any hope of getting away from the issue has now been expunged because "the
romney made them feel more negative than positive toward mr. romney by a 22-point margin. those results match other polling that shows those comments alienated undecided voters. regardless of what you think of the substance of that it statement from mr. romney, it did turn the whole republican pundit class against him, called every candidate in a contested race to distance themselves from the presidential nominee of their party to start campaigning against mitt romney, telling voters, listen, i...
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romney made em feel more negative than positive toward mr. romney by a 22ointar those results match other polling that shows those commts alienated uecided voters. gardless of what you think of the bstance of that statement from did turn thehole republican pundit class ast h every candide in a contested race to distance themselves from the id their party to start campaigng agnst mitt romney, telli voters, listen, i don't like at guy on that issue eher, but voteor me any way even ough i'm aub whether or not y think the remarks werecandals, the polling impact of them is now showing up dectly aime calcifying a when most vers y e are now starting to vote. them. now on tve esidential debate, if they xwere hoping to put that behin them, any ho of getting ay om the issue has now bee expued becausethe ffington st" tonight set off its own previouslyncirculatedeo of paul ryan speaking less than a ar ago.and at will effect the tomoow i. ryan ithese comments makes the same case mn was making when he made the devastatg 47% rk in rn's se, he doesn use t
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mr. romney's put himself in a box and president obama knows it. with 29 days to go, and you can say governor romney is between barack and a hard place. joining me now is an opinion writer for "the washington post" and an msnbc contributor and margorie, democratic strategist. thanks to you both for being here tonight. >> thank you. >> jonathan, it seems like there's a lot of around mr. romney's policies. >> yeah. absolutely, rev. because we've spent so much time focused on his performance and that's sort of the sugar high from the debate on wednesday but then you start focusing in on what he actually said and there's a lot there. as you said, he's boxed himself in a corner. you know, for instance, on his tax policy, on the $716 billion that he says the president is cutting out of medicare which is also in his running mate's own budget, just done in different ways, yeah, he's boxed himself in a corner and i think a lot of democrats hope and we've seen on the campaign trail since the debate that the president is pushing back on a lot of things that h
mr. romney's put himself in a box and president obama knows it. with 29 days to go, and you can say governor romney is between barack and a hard place. joining me now is an opinion writer for "the washington post" and an msnbc contributor and margorie, democratic strategist. thanks to you both for being here tonight. >> thank you. >> jonathan, it seems like there's a lot of around mr. romney's policies. >> yeah. absolutely, rev. because we've spent so much time...
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you heard the president last night with mr. romney. mr. romney being a different mr. romney than we've seen him for the last 18 months or the last section years. do you think even with the new hit romney that showed up last night when he starts talking about states' rights, when he starts talking about regulation or deregulation, when he starts saying he doesn't advocate $5 trillion tax cut when in fact the numbers prove that he does and has been advocating that, will that resonate with independent voters and/or undecided voters in your state of ohio? >> i don't think so. i think people realize that governor romney is still wrong on medicare and still wrong on trade and still wrong on jobs and still wrong on the middle class. i think that's increasingly clear. again it goes back to which path do you go. do you want to go back to the trickle down economics you give tax cuts to the rich and hope it helps the middle class or do you focus on the middle class and that's trait enforcement, it's i don't think training at community colleges like columbus state and sinclair. i
you heard the president last night with mr. romney. mr. romney being a different mr. romney than we've seen him for the last 18 months or the last section years. do you think even with the new hit romney that showed up last night when he starts talking about states' rights, when he starts talking about regulation or deregulation, when he starts saying he doesn't advocate $5 trillion tax cut when in fact the numbers prove that he does and has been advocating that, will that resonate with...
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mr. romney who rallied yesterday in florida is preparing for the next debate. romney will hold a debate victory rally this evening. >>> september proved to be a lucrative month for the president's re-election campaign. democrats raised $181 million. that's at that record. and in the last month of the campaign that cash could prove crucial especially for ad buys in toss up states. >>> thousands of criminal cases are now in jeopardy and some people say they may have been wrongfully convicted because of a scandal uncovered in boston. how could it happen? >>> boston's legal system faces a potential nightmare. thousands of cases dating back nearly a decade could be gentlemen par di jeopardized by a lab worker that the afternoonered with evidence. >> it was refreshing because i didn't think it was real. >> reporter: it was real until last week, miss johnson was doing about three years in prison on a drug conviction, then she was suddenly set free. >> what is it like to be out of prison? >> freedom. yeah. i can breathe. >> reporter: free because of the bizarre alleged
mr. romney who rallied yesterday in florida is preparing for the next debate. romney will hold a debate victory rally this evening. >>> september proved to be a lucrative month for the president's re-election campaign. democrats raised $181 million. that's at that record. and in the last month of the campaign that cash could prove crucial especially for ad buys in toss up states. >>> thousands of criminal cases are now in jeopardy and some people say they may have been...
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mr. romney worked both those strategies last night and mr. romney, of course, won the debate, on style, on presentation, he won on demeanor. now day two is the attempted cleanup for things he actually said. today has been a day of mr. romney's campaign saying he did not mean what he said about people with pre-existing conditions being able to get health insurance. his campaign said today he does not have a plan for that even though he said he did. the romney campaign today said he did not mean what he said about half the energy companies supported by the obama administration going bankrupt. he didn't actually mean that. sort of rolled over from democratic and liberal bewilderment last night that mr. romney was abandoning his main economic plan that he was running on, his $5 trillion tax cut plan, his big trickle-down plan, to be rolled over from democrats being bewildered about that to the beltway press and mainstream pundits i think now having a hard time deciding whether they are supposed to call that a lie or whether they're supposed to ju
mr. romney worked both those strategies last night and mr. romney, of course, won the debate, on style, on presentation, he won on demeanor. now day two is the attempted cleanup for things he actually said. today has been a day of mr. romney's campaign saying he did not mean what he said about people with pre-existing conditions being able to get health insurance. his campaign said today he does not have a plan for that even though he said he did. the romney campaign today said he did not mean...
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case in point, mr. romney's tax plan. for months he's been telling us that he'll cut everyone's taxes by 20%. so some of the country's brightest economists did the math and found that romney's tax plan promises to cut taxes by $5 trillion without adding to the deficit. but when mitt romney took to the stage last night, he delivered a line that beggared belief. >> no economist can say mitt romney's tax plan adds $5 trillion if i say i will not add to the deficit with my tax plan. >> so black is white, up is down, and everything is the way he says it is in the world of mitt romney. like yago, mitt romney delivered those lines in the presence of a black man, but on this occasion the president would not be deceived. he allowed mr. romney to rehearse the full extent of his lie and then just a few hours ago drew our attention to what really happened last night. >> the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts in favor of the wealthy. the fellow on stage last night s
case in point, mr. romney's tax plan. for months he's been telling us that he'll cut everyone's taxes by 20%. so some of the country's brightest economists did the math and found that romney's tax plan promises to cut taxes by $5 trillion without adding to the deficit. but when mitt romney took to the stage last night, he delivered a line that beggared belief. >> no economist can say mitt romney's tax plan adds $5 trillion if i say i will not add to the deficit with my tax plan. >>...
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and i bet president obama will make mr. romney choose which one. joining me now is democratic strategist tadd devine, senior adviser for kerry and gore campaigns and retired captain wes moore, he's the author of the book "the other wes moore." thank you for being here. >> thanks. >> tad, let me start with you. for the debate, isn't romney caught between what his base expects and what independents want to hear? >> absolutely. i mean, i think it's going to be difficult for governor romney to square his positions on so many issues, you know, and make an appeal to the independent swing voters who they're looking to right now, particularly in the battleground states, and keep it consistent with the things he said in the primary. let's face it. the guy won the republican nomination by going to the right of a right-wing slate of candidates. some of the farthest right candidates in history. so, he's going to have a really hard time if he tries to square those things. i think romney will tell him whatever his pulse tells him to do to appeal to the voters th
and i bet president obama will make mr. romney choose which one. joining me now is democratic strategist tadd devine, senior adviser for kerry and gore campaigns and retired captain wes moore, he's the author of the book "the other wes moore." thank you for being here. >> thanks. >> tad, let me start with you. for the debate, isn't romney caught between what his base expects and what independents want to hear? >> absolutely. i mean, i think it's going to be difficult...
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romney say, mr. president, you've been on an on poll i go tour, you don't know what you're doing in the middle east, you're waiving the work requirement for welfare. if he keeps going like that, the president is likely to lose his temper, isn't he? >> reporter: oh, i don't think so. look, the challenge facing president obama -- >> you don't? >> reporter: -- is the equivalent of a football team ahead trying to run out the fourth quarter. i think his challenge is to deflect, to respond to those with some element of humor, bemouss bemousseement. he'll cite fact-checkers and say independent analysts say your welfare charge is wrong, that sort of thing. i would expect him to be as much above it and not peevish, arrogant, not condescending as is possible to be. this is a president who doesn't make too many mistakes. >> karen, tonight's focus is domestic. >> yep. >> no bigger domestic issue than the economy, as we know. we'll have a rather open format. do you think we'll actually hear a specific from mr. ro
romney say, mr. president, you've been on an on poll i go tour, you don't know what you're doing in the middle east, you're waiving the work requirement for welfare. if he keeps going like that, the president is likely to lose his temper, isn't he? >> reporter: oh, i don't think so. look, the challenge facing president obama -- >> you don't? >> reporter: -- is the equivalent of a football team ahead trying to run out the fourth quarter. i think his challenge is to deflect, to...
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mr. obama keeps focusing on that it's not his problem and he hasn't fixed it in 3 1/2 years, and mitt romney is protecting the really rich and the middle-class are being shafted. > > i will have to go with paul ryan, because he's the only one who has offered a comprehensive budget that would actually deal with the nation's problems. whether you agree or disagree with his plan, at least he's had the courage to step up and offer numbers. > > a new cnbc poll may surprise you. it reveals that 55% of americans say the economy is worse than it was four years ago. 22% say it's better, 17% it's about the same. but voters overwhelmingly chose president obama as the candidate that they would think could do a better job of fixing the economy by a 9-point lead. > > i would agree that the economy really hasn't changed. the issues that we had four years ago are still there. we haven't found a way to fix those problems. and the economy is not growing. it's hard to believe that someone who has more than
mr. obama keeps focusing on that it's not his problem and he hasn't fixed it in 3 1/2 years, and mitt romney is protecting the really rich and the middle-class are being shafted. > > i will have to go with paul ryan, because he's the only one who has offered a comprehensive budget that would actually deal with the nation's problems. whether you agree or disagree with his plan, at least he's had the courage to step up and offer numbers. > > a new cnbc poll may surprise you. it...
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romney leads by three. on the deficit, mr. romney leads by nine. on all of these issues, that's the one on which he has the strongest trust from voters as compared with president obama. and that confidence in mr. romney on the deficit turns up not just in the nbc/"wall street journal" poll, but in a lot of national polls. even though he hasn't given a lot of details as to how he would handle the deficit as an issue. the bottom line, there's no question as to who you would rather be here, right? you would rather be president obama than mitt romney looking at these numbers. that plus 19 advantage that the president has on looking out for the middle class, that is a death nail for mr. romney's campaign if he cannot turn that around. but i think looking ahead to tonight's debate, there is a real opportunity in the huge disconnect in the electorate, in a way that reflects a real risk for president obama. there's this huge disconnect between mr. obama's best number with voters and one of his worst numbers. which is that president obama has so far not bee
romney leads by three. on the deficit, mr. romney leads by nine. on all of these issues, that's the one on which he has the strongest trust from voters as compared with president obama. and that confidence in mr. romney on the deficit turns up not just in the nbc/"wall street journal" poll, but in a lot of national polls. even though he hasn't given a lot of details as to how he would handle the deficit as an issue. the bottom line, there's no question as to who you would rather be...
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so he's telling mr. romney, i assume, don't worry about it. you can do what i did and i guess that's soothing. >> it's soothing in a many of speaking but there's a crucial different here and that is that bob dole in 1996 fought the good fight. but, look, the economy by then was booming. nobody really gave him a chance of winning. what is happening here is you have romney losing a race that everybody thought he was perfectly capable of winning. so if that is indeed what occurs, it's possible he doesn't even get the viagra ad in the end and may be cutting some ads for bain capital. >> michelle cottle and dana milbank, thank you for your time this evening. >> thanks. >> thanks. >>> coming up, paul ryan has come up with a brand-new reason to avoid giving details on the romney/ryan plan. >> you haven't given me the math. >> it would take me too long to go through the math. >> the math is hard defense. good luck with that. >>> plus, todd akin goes from bad to worse. new comments from mr. legitimate rape have made him the poster child of the gop radi
so he's telling mr. romney, i assume, don't worry about it. you can do what i did and i guess that's soothing. >> it's soothing in a many of speaking but there's a crucial different here and that is that bob dole in 1996 fought the good fight. but, look, the economy by then was booming. nobody really gave him a chance of winning. what is happening here is you have romney losing a race that everybody thought he was perfectly capable of winning. so if that is indeed what occurs, it's...
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the explanation from the romney campaign is mr. romney was not pulling notes out of his pocket. he was pulling out of his pocket a handkerchief. sure enough, a little later on, oop, in the debate mr. romney is seen wiping his nose with said handkerchief. so whether you are persuaded by mitt romney wiping his nose on what is supposed to be his crib sheet notes, if you're on the left, again, like this is a conspiracy theory that just does not help. president obama did not win the first debate against mitt romney. whether or not you're happy about that, he didn't win. but if your takeaway from this conspiracy theory in this debate is the reason the president didn't win is because mitt romney cheated, then what is the utility of that theory for you? what is the utility of that information? how do you think president obama should then prepare for the second debate? should he just do exactly what he did this past wednesday night, except keep a closer eye out for the cheating because that is the only reason he lost? i mean, it may be comforting to tell yourself this is what really went
the explanation from the romney campaign is mr. romney was not pulling notes out of his pocket. he was pulling out of his pocket a handkerchief. sure enough, a little later on, oop, in the debate mr. romney is seen wiping his nose with said handkerchief. so whether you are persuaded by mitt romney wiping his nose on what is supposed to be his crib sheet notes, if you're on the left, again, like this is a conspiracy theory that just does not help. president obama did not win the first debate...
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given that mr. romney and mr. ryan have given no details but have given a promise that they're going to reduce taxes by 20%, how does mitt romney deal with that tomorrow? what does he actually say that he has previously refused to say on explaining that? >> well, i think it's fascinating that they're treating mitt romney like he's the president and a lot in the media treat president obama like he's the challenger. what president george w. bush did when he was governor of texas is said i want to reduce taxes across the board and i want to make sure we have a balanced budget. he wasn't very specific during the campaign, and when he became president, he released a series of principles that went to capitol hill that said these are the measures that meet my -- >> here is the problem with that though, ron. people who have assessed his mathematics have deemed them to be completely impossible. michael, this is just in from mitt romney on how he'll pay for his massive 20% across the board tax cut. take a listen. >> everybo
given that mr. romney and mr. ryan have given no details but have given a promise that they're going to reduce taxes by 20%, how does mitt romney deal with that tomorrow? what does he actually say that he has previously refused to say on explaining that? >> well, i think it's fascinating that they're treating mitt romney like he's the president and a lot in the media treat president obama like he's the challenger. what president george w. bush did when he was governor of texas is said i...
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fallen is giving zadakas a run for his moment on this romney impression. >>> here's the latest. >> mr. president, china is demanding that the u.s. pay back its debt in full immediately. failure to do so will bring on financial apocalypse. you need to look into that camera and convince the people of china we are good to pay back that debt. >> why you got to play me like that, china? when you loan that money to my predecessors, did you really think you were going to get it back? >> china's not budging but we have just had the results back from your latest presidential physical and it tornadoes out you have telepathic powers. look into that camera and convince the chinese they need to step down. >> it's your move. >> there's still time. there's still time for president cain. write him in in november, won you? >>> still ahead on "way too early," why are you still awake? tweets, texts and e-mails are next. "morning joe," live from washington, just moments away. [ male announcer ] for the dreamers... and those well grounded. for what's around this corner... and the next. there's cash flow o
fallen is giving zadakas a run for his moment on this romney impression. >>> here's the latest. >> mr. president, china is demanding that the u.s. pay back its debt in full immediately. failure to do so will bring on financial apocalypse. you need to look into that camera and convince the people of china we are good to pay back that debt. >> why you got to play me like that, china? when you loan that money to my predecessors, did you really think you were going to get it...
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mr. romney, you have an hour and a half to explain it. >> jennifer: that's what the president says. we have time explain it. oh, that would be so perfect. [ laughter ] >> jennifer: so mitt romney is claiming out of his mouth that he is going to -- he -- i think he said -- was going to be fact checking the president during the debates, real time? >> maybe he has a little something in his ear -- >> that didn't work very well it didn't. >> jennifer: describe the fact-checking experience in a presidential campaign during the debate. >> i think -- look what you have got of course out there is a lot of people tweeting and folks commenting and all of that going on outside. but he is not going to have a lot of notes and stuff with facts on them, i don't think. plus this president -- if he is not anything, he is careful. you are not going to see coming from barack obama a lot of crazy numbers and wild -- wild claims. that is not going to happen. >> jennifer: you know what is interesting -- i imagine, peter -- i'm sorry to interrupt -- but i am imagining, during the debates they all have thes
mr. romney, you have an hour and a half to explain it. >> jennifer: that's what the president says. we have time explain it. oh, that would be so perfect. [ laughter ] >> jennifer: so mitt romney is claiming out of his mouth that he is going to -- he -- i think he said -- was going to be fact checking the president during the debates, real time? >> maybe he has a little something in his ear -- >> that didn't work very well it didn't. >> jennifer: describe the...
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mrs. romney, that's not helping. you better finish the thought. >> i have all the confidence in the world in his ability, in his decisiveness, in his leadership skills, in his understanding of the economy, in his understanding of what's missing right now in the economy, you know, the pieces that are missing to get this jump started. so for me i think it would be the emotional part of it. >> right. he's capable, decisive, and emotionally troubled? well, that is an october surprise. let's get right to our panel this afternoon. with us from washington, msnbc political analyst karen finney, who is a democratic strategist. also julian epstein, who is a democratic strategist, and here in new york msnbc political analyst professor michael eric dyson. professor dyson, mitt romney's wife says she's concerned about his mental health. paul ryan says he's inarticulate. if he can't think straight and he can't speak properly, is mitt romney george bush in disguise? >> i'll tell what you. i want to give you the baseline, i don't ha
mrs. romney, that's not helping. you better finish the thought. >> i have all the confidence in the world in his ability, in his decisiveness, in his leadership skills, in his understanding of the economy, in his understanding of what's missing right now in the economy, you know, the pieces that are missing to get this jump started. so for me i think it would be the emotional part of it. >> right. he's capable, decisive, and emotionally troubled? well, that is an october surprise....
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earlier today mr. romney visited the ji military institute to deliver what his campaign described as a major address on foreign policy and to try out some new fear-flavored zingers focused on the middle east. >> it's clear that the risk of conflict in the region is higher now than when the president took office. i know the president hopes for a safer, freer, and more prosperous middle east allied with us. i share this hope, but hope is not a strategy. >> but even after today's tenth major foreign policy address by mr. romney, questions remain about how he would conduct american policy toward the rest of the world. how about libya? >> in the libya i'll support the libyan people's efforts to forge a lasting government that represents all of them, and i'll vigorously pursue the terrorists who attacked our consulate in benghazi and killed our fellow americans. >> okay. now that he's both favored and deposed intervention in libya, he'll defiantly claim his position is exactly the same as the president. grea
earlier today mr. romney visited the ji military institute to deliver what his campaign described as a major address on foreign policy and to try out some new fear-flavored zingers focused on the middle east. >> it's clear that the risk of conflict in the region is higher now than when the president took office. i know the president hopes for a safer, freer, and more prosperous middle east allied with us. i share this hope, but hope is not a strategy. >> but even after today's tenth...